On page 56 (Yiddish) and page 57 (English) of the supplement to the 5774 UOHC luach there is an application form to become a member of UOHC. The implication is that orthodox jewish residents of Stamford Hill are NOT automatically members. One must apply and, of course, be accepted. There are also some conditions which not all of us agree to, e.g. rulings of kashrut. This means that HaRav Padwa shlit"o is not the Rav of the community, only Rav of those who consciously applied and paid for membership and were accepted. (Like any private club)) and accordingly his and his beth din's rulings are not binding on anyone else.
It's signed - there is a barely distinguishable mark running through the shtemple. It is also dated, Friday 27 June, for those than need translating. In these days of personal computers, any child with the iq of your average UOHC Dayan, is sble to produce any pashkevil, with the wording, date, and signature of your choice, in under 29 minutes.
The anonymous rabbonim, premiered by the gavad (who is notorious for retracting his statements and rulings) have not bothered to explain what aspect of the show is (i) חוקותיהם (ii) why they believe it to be so.
I can produce recommendations from Gedolim promoting the benefits of such a show.
The ignoramus behind this pashkevil will suffer the wrath of our ancestors, and all 7 degrees of gehenom for every pruttah of loss incurred by
1. It's in Watford which is outside the UOHC's jurisdiction. 2. As per Stamford Hiller's post of 29 June anyone not a paid up and accepted member of UOHC is not bound by the ruling. 3. I can't read the alleged signature. Whose signature is it? It is common practice for a signatory to type or write his/her name under the signature.
1. The UOHC don't have a jurisdiction - anywhere. 2. Ergo, paid up or not, nobody is bound by this notice, even if it were a ruling - which it is not. 3. There are a number of very good reason why you can't read the signature. 1) the signatory is probably illiterate (tempting though it is, I'm not commenting on his parentage) & cannot read or write, 2 ) the signatory does not wish to be identified, amongst other valid reasons. Furthermore, common people (as in low class not as in Clapton) do not take to common practice, just common behaviour.
1. If you actually apply and pay for membership and are accepted you have implicitly (and actually explicitly) accepted their jurisdiction. Read the form. 2. Nobody is bound by any notice. They claim they are our daas torah and it is, according to them, up to whether to obey. 3. Well, he (she?) knows Hebrew. It might be a Hebrew "signature". Who is it. Just thank the Lord that that lot are not common.
Only Rabbonim look at and watch other people's wives. Us common plebs are to busy and occupied with our own wives to notice or care what other women do or wear.
FROM THE ADVERT: A phenomenal cast of hugely talented ladies, teens and a small cast of children will take to stage to perform toe-tapping classics from your favourite Disney & West End shows including LION KING, MATILDA, FROZEN, BOLLYWOOD & OLIVER plus lots more!
We also have guest performances from the young Laurence Olivier Award winning Matilda who played Matilda in the original box-office West End hit plus one of Michael Flatley's leading female dancers from LORD OF THE DANCE!
Caroline Pakter (nee Cohen), ex West-End singer & actress will be singing her latest songs including 'Let it Go' from Frozen!
100% understand the rabbonim on this one. May indeed be appropriate for cinema or theatre goers, but definitely a big step down for anyone else. We can't really let Baal tshuvos bring in culture of their previous lives.
Apparently the Union mixed up the showtime with the BJ Year 6 show on Sunday. What about the Shwekey concert, one can only assume that attending a mixed concert is ok!!!?
Maybe 100 years ago in the backwaters of the shtetl, women didn't put on theatrical productions to entertain other women. Then again 100 years ago they didn't have a theatre in said shtetl. And if they did, women didn't drive, and any woman walking alone at night was likely to be raped and murdered.
The young ladies of today need some kosher recreation and entertainment, otherwise, we will face a major crisis in the next few years.
On page 56 (Yiddish) and page 57 (English) of the supplement to the 5774 UOHC luach there is an application form to become a member of UOHC. The implication is that orthodox jewish residents of Stamford Hill are NOT automatically members. One must apply and, of course, be accepted. There are also some conditions which not all of us agree to, e.g. rulings of kashrut.
ReplyDeleteThis means that HaRav Padwa shlit"o is not the Rav of the community, only Rav of those who consciously applied and paid for membership and were accepted. (Like any private club)) and accordingly his and his beth din's rulings are not binding on anyone else.
Please explain what in particular are they talking about
ReplyDeleteDoesn't matter. Not signed. Not dated. No details.
DeleteJust a pashkevil. Anybody could have printed it.
It's signed - there is a barely distinguishable mark running through the shtemple.
DeleteIt is also dated, Friday 27 June, for those than need translating.
In these days of personal computers, any child with the iq of your average UOHC Dayan, is sble to produce any pashkevil, with the wording, date, and signature of your choice, in under 29 minutes.
Showtime, a musical evening of song and dance. With a female only cast, for a female only audience.
DeleteThis Sunday 6 July, in Watford. A really professional production.
The anonymous rabbonim, premiered by the gavad (who is notorious for retracting his statements and rulings) have not bothered to explain what aspect of the show is (i) חוקותיהם (ii) why they believe it to be so.
DeleteI can produce recommendations from Gedolim promoting the benefits of such a show.
The ignoramus behind this pashkevil will suffer the wrath of our ancestors, and all 7 degrees of gehenom for every pruttah of loss incurred by
1. It's in Watford which is outside the UOHC's jurisdiction.
Delete2. As per Stamford Hiller's post of 29 June anyone not a paid up and accepted member of UOHC is not bound by the ruling.
3. I can't read the alleged signature. Whose signature is it? It is common practice for a signatory to type or write his/her name under the signature.
1. The UOHC don't have a jurisdiction - anywhere.
Delete2. Ergo, paid up or not, nobody is bound by this notice, even if it were a ruling - which it is not.
3. There are a number of very good reason why you can't read the signature. 1) the signatory is probably illiterate (tempting though it is, I'm not commenting on his parentage) & cannot read or write, 2 ) the signatory does not wish to be identified, amongst other valid reasons.
Furthermore, common people (as in low class not as in Clapton) do not take to common practice, just common behaviour.
1. If you actually apply and pay for membership and are accepted you have implicitly (and actually explicitly) accepted their jurisdiction. Read the form.
Delete2. Nobody is bound by any notice. They claim they are our daas torah and it is, according to them, up to whether to obey.
3. Well, he (she?) knows Hebrew. It might be a Hebrew "signature". Who is it. Just thank the Lord that that lot are not common.
Why not bring external beis din to decide as this lot are not able to
ReplyDeleteI've no doubt that uohc will be donating all the lost revenue to camp simcha. Or perhaps they know noone listerns to them anyway
ReplyDeleteWhen will notice be retracted, like others?
ReplyDeleteIdiotic, what is wrong with women going to watch other women??????
Would you rather it were men watching other women?
ReplyDeleteWould you rather it were men watching other women?
ReplyDeleteOnly Rabbonim look at and watch other people's wives. Us common plebs are to busy and occupied with our own wives to notice or care what other women do or wear.
DeleteFROM THE ADVERT:
ReplyDeleteA phenomenal cast of hugely talented ladies, teens and a small cast of children will take to stage to perform toe-tapping classics from your favourite Disney & West End shows including LION KING, MATILDA, FROZEN, BOLLYWOOD & OLIVER plus lots more!
We also have guest performances from the young Laurence Olivier Award winning Matilda who played Matilda in the original box-office West End hit plus one of Michael Flatley's leading female dancers from LORD OF THE DANCE!
Caroline Pakter (nee Cohen), ex West-End singer & actress will be singing her latest songs including 'Let it Go' from Frozen!
It IS slightly goyish, I guess. It's one thing to watch these things in your home, it's another thing to make a whole public event out of it.
ReplyDeleteIt goes back to the old arguement; ''what's the difference between watching a DVD at home, or going to the Cinema?''.....it just IS different.
100% understand the rabbonim on this one. May indeed be appropriate for cinema or theatre goers, but definitely a big step down for anyone else. We can't really let Baal tshuvos bring in culture of their previous lives.
ReplyDeleteHorses - maybe but UOHC rabbonim cannot dictate proper behaviour to anyone.
ReplyDeleteApparently the Union mixed up the showtime with the BJ Year 6 show on Sunday.
ReplyDeleteWhat about the Shwekey concert, one can only assume that attending a mixed concert is ok!!!?
Come on people. Society moves with the times.
ReplyDeleteMaybe 100 years ago in the backwaters of the shtetl, women didn't put on theatrical productions to entertain other women. Then again 100 years ago they didn't have a theatre in said shtetl. And if they did, women didn't drive, and any woman walking alone at night was likely to be raped and murdered.
The young ladies of today need some kosher recreation and entertainment, otherwise, we will face a major crisis in the next few years.